20069. Bayonets Excellent bore. This message was posted before February 2018. It has mahogany grips and a ribbed Bakelite secondary handle, and there are British proof marks on the chamber and frame. See photo for details. Q&A M37A2 double red star (3); M38A1 double yellow star (1); M38A2 double yellow star (2); M39A2 double green star (1); M43A1 single red star (1); M43A2 single red star (2); M45A2 single green star (2); M53A2 yellow tracer-yellow star and red star (1); M57A1 red tracer double red star (1); M57A2 red tracer double red star (2). But, the British Admiralty still didnt see a need for his line throwers. Lodged in mud, sand, or rock, especially during a violent storm, is a poor place to be, and ships could be broken up quickly. I have done a lot of research on various line throwing guns, and would be happy to share a copy upon request, or will try to post it on our other site, ArmsCollectors.com, and it will eventually be posted at http://ASOAC.org for whom it was written and first published. The pistol is based on the Webley & Scott brass flare pistol, with a steel barrel extension to take a rocket that would propel a wire over distance. Lanyard loop. WW2 1944 U. S. Navy Sedgley MK IV 37mm Flare/ Signal Pistol. 3/9/2023, US Militaria WW2 Type 90 Japanese Naval DOUBLE Barrelled Flare / Signal pistol. Following his lead, numerous ship-borne devices became available to save grounded ships, but they were inaccurate, prone to water damage, complicated, or worse. The new apparatus would utilize the quick-firing, weather-proof projectile less effected by wind, as well as the far-traveling, easy-to-see, virtually recoilless rocket that wouldnt snap the lifelines. This is a very rare example of an Imperial Japanese Navy double barrelled 28mm Flare/ Signal pistol.. 745. Alternatively, search more than 1 million objects from Please take a moment to review my edit. Fun bit of kit, best not to fire them when wearing synthetic gloves though, as I discovered the hard way! Calibre: 1.5, Webley Schermuly Riot Gun, launcher, grenade, moving barrel. Make Kayaba Kogyo Com. $575.00 (View Picture), **NEW ADDITION** 19995 RARE WW1 37mm BRITISH FLARE GUN CARTRIDGE- DEC 1918 - Paper case with brass base marked ELEY LONDON- and closing wad marked Firearms manufactured His lifes work complete, he saved thousands of lives at sea, contributed to the seafaring life he loved so dearly, and fought successfully for new legislation to save even more lives. This is an excellent condition British WW1 era brass Trench flare pistol. This period of numerous rejections and disinterest, he dubbed, his heartbreak years. Eventually, early adopters began to step forward. November 1918. Loaded, live round, but due to age and apparent poor storages sold as display item only and not safe for actual use. One of those guns that isnt unusual in its appearance, yet performs its task in an unusual manner is the Schermuly Line Throwing gun. WW2 SCHERMULY ROCKET PISTOL APARATUS - LINE THROWING AND FLARE GUN BRITISH MILITARY ISSUED - EXTRAS Description: FOR THE COLLECTOR THAT HAS IT ALL ! INVENTED BY WILLIAM SCHERMULY BORN IN 1847 AND DIED IN 1929 . British Schermuly`S Wwi & 2 Line Throwing / Flare Gun For Sale at GunAuction.com - 11192178 NEW REDUCED PRICE, WAS $650 NOW $575 This is a RARE Square Butt, Shermuly's Line Throwing Rocket / Flare Gun. 27 mm Flare/Very/signal Pistol. No lid. Webley Schermuly 12bore Single Shot Flare Pistol (R/H) - S/H 295 US$355/333. Brass frame. CODE- 20020-B 4/7/2023, Collectors Kite launching rockets deployed emergency radio aerial antennae. The compact system could project a half inch line up to three quarters of a mile away. So he did what anyone would do took the best of both inventions and combined them. This is a Schermuly type life saving line throwing gun which uses a small pistol type launcher firing a stubby impulse-ignition cartridge. Before firing, a rocket motor with an attached wire frame sticking back for attachment of the line is inserted in the muzzle. Sign me up to the gunstar.co.uk newsletter, Send me offers and promotions from third parties. This is unlikely to have been a Very pistol, given the location it was probably a moutain rescue flare gun (a far simpler device), but it definitely wasn't a simple hand-held flare. His third son, Conrad David, a man who at the age of 21 had become the youngest RSM in the British Army, helped to bring the SPRA to fruition. NO FFL required. Not eligible for payment with Paypal or Amazon. Return Holsters, If a firearm is unusual enough, it enters into that special place of curiosa: the Gyrojet, harmonica guns, duckfoot pistols, cane guns, and on and on. Legal Notice - International Military Antiques, Inc observes all Federal, State and local laws. This is an old English made Schermuly Line Throwing Gun. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. Schermuly surmised that to remedy these short-comings, a lifeline could instead be fired from the vessel. The flare gun launcher fit the bill. This riot gun is one of several patterns which have seen service with the British Army, most notably during the 'Troubles' in Northern Ireland. This Line Throwing gun is in Great condition, as HOME GUNS FOR SALE Browse Categories Used Guns For Sale Rifles For Sale Shotguns For Sale cartridge belts, etc on our collectible If you don't know of any FFL Twenty-two different shipping lines were using his rockets, and by 1929, the Merchant Shipping Act mandated that Every British ship exceeding five hundred tons when going to sea from any port in the United Kingdom shall be provided with a line-throwing appliance approved by the Board of Trade. Nineteen days later, Schermuly died. Products: 584 $22.00 (View Picture), 20873 U.S. LINE THROWING GUN- KILGORE MODEL GR-52 - Serial number 617 with USCG approval 160/040/4/0 as marked on the frame. *UK 2017 DEACTIVATION CERTIFICATED*. Thompson, C. R. (1946). It has a 9" Barrel with octagonal breech An excellent British WW1 brass 1" Mk. Digital files of films and sound recordings are available at cost depending on intended use. 10/25/2022 William Schermuly still envisioned a simpler device that eliminated faults in his design, which was not very durable, prone to cross winds, and took 5-10 seconds to ignite. Please search through our online catalog today and find your own piece of military or maritime history. If you see a The device would have to be inexpensive, reliable, compact, and easy to use even in the worst of conditions. For his contributions, most line throwing guns are known as Lyle guns to this day. This is a very WW1 Era German Hebel 27mm Trench Flare/ Signal Pistol. here for telephone contact information. Nick Cooper (talk) 12:47, 3 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], I'm coming across this rather late, butthe reference to "flare gun" may quite possibly be a matter of the writer of the lyrics of "Smoke on the Water" taking creative liberties in describing the event, rather than referring to the actual sequence of events. Note that while these were made after 1898, special provisions in federal law exempt them from the normal post-1898 handgun FFL procedures, and they can be ordered just like an antique firearm, without need for a FFL so we are listing them here: **NEW ADDITION** 7104 BRITISH SCHERMULY ROCKET PISTOL APPARATUS (SRPA) LINE THROWING GUN - Serial number 20148 made circa 1940-1960. Carried in a case along with its rope and launcher, this looked like a giant, mounted bottle rocket and unfortunately, utilized a cardboard-type paper case. Model Rocket flare fir. Overall fine condition, although bore is dirty, and some scrapes on the barrel paint. A tremendous swimmer, a fighter, and an adventurous spirit, the man did not lack for courage, nor the vocabulary of an old salt, once describing himself as an old blue water windjammer shellback (translation: a sailor who went out into deep ocean on the largest sailing cargo ships and crossed the equator). The Schermuly Pistol Rocket Apparatus (SPRA) was born and immediately began outperforming the competition, often doubling or tripling the distance of other ship-to-shore systems and demonstrating numerous advantages of old shore-to-ship systems such as the Lyle gun. In fact, except for brief passage in obscure manuals, or discussion of a gun or two the scope of a more general work there is nothing conveniently available on this subject. Please use the print button in the share bar at the top of the page. Notice- Because of bureaucratic requirements, we cannot sell cartridge firearms D 1461 - D 1461 The PAC Rocket used a 6 pound rocket motor to propel a steel line held aloft by a parachute to protect airfields and ships against dive bombers. Brass and steel barrel. By 1887 he was developing ideas for ship-based rescue lines, and by 1897 he was exhibiting his Schermuly life saving rocket at Queen Victorias Diamond Jubilee Exposition and winning the gold medal to boot. However, no complete list has been found of all approvals, so with only a few scattered examples the best I can do is estimate that this was circa 1960s-1980s, but I believe the basic model dates to 1952. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. A short wire leader is attached to the U-frame and the shot line is attached to the wire, keeping it far enough from the rocket exhaust to avoid being burned. to ship. The Merchant Shipping Act of 1929 enforced a requirement for all ships to carry a line throwing apparatus, 19 days later, William Schermuly dies, his lifes work of saving sailors lives complete. Your last viewed and saved ads will appear here, Your last viewed and saved searches will appear here, Please select a location from the drop-down list. Of course, Schermuly also saw rockets as part of the solution. It is a simple shotgun-like device, designed to project riot control munitions, such as CS gas projectiles or, more commonly, baton rounds. to customers outside the United States. His rockets would propel grapnel hooks, which were used by U.S. Rangers on D-Day. Some 96 different Flare or Signal pistols are covered, with dimensions and some historical background and information on maker and the intended use. If a firearm is unusual enough, it enters into that special place of curiosa: the Gyrojet, harmonica guns, duckfoot pistols, cane guns, and on and on. 3/9/2023, Foreign Militaria (Other) These guns were used by the Royal Navy and other military units during WW1. This is the International Number 2 size unit, using 41mm rockets, with 15 7/8 barrel. Non-Commercial educational use for the purpose of teaching and instruction, including internal training. When fired, the impulse ignition cartridge flash ignites the rocket motor and kicks the rocket out on its way. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. There is a poorly struck crown over E on the lockplate, similar to that used by several French arsenals. Regards, DesertPipeline (talk) 08:31, 9 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply], Maybe add a link to the hunter's signal for more insight? Discussion in 'Fireworks Nostalgia, Collectables And History' started by Crouchy, Aug 4, 2020. Important The level shows the proper elevation to hold the flare gun when it is used as a line thrower. They have the correct wartime period British proofs and Schermuly Patents 179997. This is an Swedish 38mm Flare/ Signal Pistol. IMA works diligently to be aware of these ever changing laws and obeys them accordingly. Also included is the tin case which measures approximately 19" x 7" x 25" which is complete with 4 unopened boxes of 250 1/2 inch line, 4 deactivated rockets, original instruction label and more! https://archive.org/stream/nasa_techdoc_19770026086/19770026086_djvu.txt, https://www.nps.gov/spar/learn/historyculture/david-lyle.htm, Rock Island Auction7819 42 Street WestRock Island, Illinois 61201USA1-309-797-1500, In the history of American arms, three weapons stand out above all the rest: the Kentucky rifle, the Colts revolver, and the Bowie knife, wrote, The sky above the trenches of France was a new frontier as World War 1 opened in 1914, with each side using lumbering, unarmed airplanes for, The Colt Walker revolver was the gun that relaunched Samuel Colts firearms business following the failure of his earlier Patent Arms Manufacturing. He invented several different line throwing devices, some of which were used in WWI for such things as throwing telephone lines from trench to trench while under fire. gun. $895.00 (View Picture). In WWI the Canadian Army used them for projecting telegraph cables from trench to trench whilst under fire and a rocket that fired a grappling hook to enable barbed wire entanglements to be quietly pulled away also found some use. I've long forgotten exactly where, though) his belief that the perpetrator actually fired a bottle rocket. I'd guess that it's someone's name, or a company's name, since it's capitalised, but I can't find anything via an Internet search about it. If you have a Curio & Relic FFL, we can ship items considered by the BATF Click here for more information. Also, ships were often dependent on the surf crews for rescue. *UK 2017 DEACTIVATION CERTIFICATED*. Description: Serial #10950, 25mm, 5 1/2" barrel with a very good bore that is dark and frosted for the last 3 inches near the bell-mouth muzzle. 10/25/2022 The Schermuly system saved countless lives at sea. D 1460 - D Flare Pistol 26. It was so successful that in 1938, a new act made it a requirement for all ships over 80 tons or 50 feet in length. He has saved many lives at sea. This item was for sale as of 02:53, 28 Dec 22. OUT OF STOCK- OUT OF PRINT- LOOK ON USED BOOK LISTS- WORTH THE SEARCH! You can embed or download low-resolution images free of charge for private and non-commercial use under the IWM Non-Commercial Licence. Despite his success at the exposition, Schermuly saw virtually no interest in his invention. ANTIQUE- no FFL needed. There are also stories of attaching a grappling hook of sorts to it and firing it over barbed wire so that it could be more easily pulled away. These flare gun based launchers replaced purpose built cannon and rockets used earlier. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > . However, it is ultimately the responsibility of the buyer to be in compliance of laws that govern their specific location. (Broomhandle). Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. The wood grips are made of mahogany. It is a terrifying thought to be so close to shore, but trapped aboard a ship disintegrating with every crash of the waves. here for telephone contact information. Add to Compare. After all, aiming for shore requires much less precision than aiming for a boat, and lines fired inland might even be aided by the wind and enjoy a greater range. I know this applies to the Very pistol. 1945 - Present It was only after the SS Rohilla sank after hitting a mine in 1914 that the British Admiralty placed their first order for Schermuly rockets to be placed aboard troop and hospital ships. It had to be large enough to carry adequate propellant but not large enough to excessively increase the weight or be effected too much my wind. We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. A handsome example of the classic military single shot flintlock pistol, albeit lacking specific identification. British WWI 1916 Dated Brass 1 MkIII Trench Flare/Signal Pistol by Cogswell & Harrison London. Advert Login Register. This was a gun that could shoot off lines over a distance of 250 yards. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. From ship to shore: The biography of William Schermuly and the history of the Schermuly Pistorl Rocket Apparatus Ltd.London: Victoria House Printing. Have them checked by a competent gunsmith ( Sn. 450ONO No more results - here are some we think you might like. His lifes work complete, he saved thousands of lives at sea, contributed to the seafaring life he loved so dearly, and fought successfully for new legislation to save even more lives. Firearms with fascinating histories such as this abound in our firearms auctions, and the 2018 June Regional Firearms Auction is no exception. Dating from the 1920s this Schermuly Line Throwing Rocket Pistol has a brass frame and chamber, while the rocket tube, or barrel, is steel. to e-mail us. By 1887 he was developing ideas for ship-based rescue lines, and by 1897 he was exhibiting his Schermuly life saving rocket at Queen Victorias Diamond Jubilee Exposition and winning the gold medal to boot. SCHERMULY Hand Flare. Given the number of people who collect flare guns it is amazing that there is not more written on the subject. This example shows the less common fluid filled clinometer level. (ten boxes are shown in place to illustrate the proper packing layout, but are NOT included). There were numerous signal flares, various uses for projected lines, and perhaps most pleasing to the inventor, several ways to aid seamen in peril on the sea, such as lifeboat distress signals and self-inflating life rafts that automatically fired rocket propelled lines into the water so that the crew could pull themselves aboard. Suggest it be merged in to Frank Zappa with a link from here?Billlion (talk) 08:39, 2 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], Given the generic nature of the page subject, is it appropriate to highlight this one historical incident so prominently? Sn 18196: 30 - 18196: 30 The drawing allow you easily identify your gun with the one in the book. I think this just muddies the waters. on our books page. The wire could be attached to a cable to help transfer people from ship to ship or shore to ship. hello: were the 1870 snider cavalry carbines rare with checkered stock and engraved sidelock? Category Other Guns. 1941 - 1945 Nimrod Erez) shuts 5 flares from a flare gun on Eygeption patrol boat at the Marsa Talamat battle. or check with the owner if they are consignment pieces. This was particularly demoralizing for a man quoted as saying, Lost ships can be replaced, but lives are gone forever. He was ignored by the powers that be of the British Navy and numerous other sources, largely due to the additional cost of outfitting ships with the new rockets. 12/7/2022, U.S. Longarms Scarce, Original, WW2 Imperial Japanese Navy, Second Variation Type 90 Triple Barrelled Flare/ Sign up to receive the latest news, advice and ads, straight to your inbox. To order Call 01547 529093 or 05603 416575 or email sales@deactivated-guns.co.uk. This would probably clean up with some steel wool and WD-40. These are non firearms under the current law, but a PALis required if cartridges are included. A tremendous swimmer, a fighter, and an adventurous spirit, the man did not lack for courage, nor the vocabulary of an old salt, once describing himself as an old blue water windjammer shellback (translation: a sailor who went out into deep ocean on the largest sailing cargo ships and crossed the equator). Following his lead, numerous ship-borne devices became available to save grounded ships, but they were inaccurate, prone to water damage, complicated, or worse. However, it was not enough. D 1501. 5636) All Description: Serial #10950, 25mm, 5 1/2 barrel with a very good bore that is dark and frosted for the last 3 inches near the bell-mouth muzzle. I have just modified one external link on Flare gun. I have 2 of these for sale, both in used but good well looked after condition. Schermulys invention didnt just disappear with the glory days of the British Empire. Personal use for non-commercial research and private study and other uses under the UKs exceptions to copyright and those exceptions to copyright in place where the user is located. NOTE: THE ITEMS BELOW ARE "ANTIQUES" AND DO NOT REQUIRE A FFL FOR SHIPMENT. The compact system could project a half inch line up to three quarters of a mile away. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. So only fair I give him a mention especially as he went on to invent items that have saved so many lives over the years. The latter were originally large rubber bullets, but these were superseded by cylindrical projectiles made from PVC, which were found to be more accurate at long range and less likely to inflict lasting injury. are glad to answer any questions about the items we offer. Twenty-two different shipping lines were using his rockets, and by 1929, the Merchant Shipping Act mandated that Every British ship exceeding five hundred tons when going to sea from any port in the United Kingdom shall be provided with a line-throwing appliance approved by the Board of Trade. Nineteen days later, Schermuly died. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. Prices: British Pounds, Arundel Militaria. Search 21712 FLARE GUNS & SIGNAL PISTOLS: THEIR USE, DESCRIPTION AND ACCESSORIES - By Robert M. Gaynor, 178 pages 8.5 x 11 soft covers. 2 Mark I Pyrotechnic Pistol based on a Webley frame, and the Mark III Signal Pistol based on the Mark IV Webley introduced in 1915. Ruger 10-22 DSP SP classic .22LR semi automatic sporting rifle. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. During the Great War, the Canadian Army even began using them to throw telephone lines from trench to trench to avoid exposing troops to enemy fire. SIGNAL KIGHTS MK 2 Although the precise identification is a bit murky, this is a handsome gun, in excellent condition. The fact that it remained in production through World War II is further testament to its reliability and necessity. I was going to include the riot gun, not sure why I forgot! LOT- [number painted over]/ The Schermuly Pistol Rocket Apparatus by Joel R Kolander. 2023 Rock Island Auction Company. Gunbroker has an interesting flare gun/line thrower for auction. Free exhibitions held in venues, which do not charge an entry fee. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. Buy Webley Schermuly Multi-Purpose Anti-Riot Flare Gun Launcher (Bossk Blaster): GunBroker is the largest seller of Other Collectible Guns Collectible Firearms All: 907616996. In 1912, the Royal Mail Steam Packet utilized Schermuly rockets and others would follow. All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. This book is the best single reference on this subject for collectors today. Phone: (402) 740-7757 Seller Type: Private Seller Return Policy: 3 day inspection and return policy on used guns and accessories. Not to mention, that crews were not available in every town. These were used with the International Flare Signal and Kilgore Model 52 flare guns, and probably all the other heavy 37mm flare guns with barrels about 8 inches long. a FFL dealer in your area. William Schermuly was a seaman & inventor born in 1857 of Dutch origin. If you do not have a C&R FFL, then we can only ship guns made after 1898 to New lower starting price and lower buy it now price! This is a good 38mm calibre Flare Pistol. Of course, Schermuly also saw rockets as part of the solution. A non gun, this is a WW1 Schermuly Flare Gun/Line thrower. This is a 37mm cartridge with the case about 1 1/8 long and overall length of 7 1/8. Categories: 7 The wire could be attached to a cable to help transfer people from ship to ship or shore to ship. Condition Report. Usually comprised entirely of volunteers, the crews, while brave, often lacked training or expertise with equipment such as the Lyle gun. Furthermore, firing was often done into the winds, which shortened the devices effective range and made precise aiming more difficult still. Ordering Payment Methods: Schermuly Pistol Rocket Line Thrower Description: Excellent condition Fully Operational Schermuly Line Thrower Rocket apparatus. If you have any questions regarding this item, you should contact the Seller before bidding. 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III Trench flare pistol made by Cogswell & Harrison London. Webley Schermuly Riot Gun, launcher, grenade, moving barrel Label This riot gun is one of several patterns which have seen service with the British Army, most notably during the 'Troubles' in Northern Ireland. It didnt take long before the British Admiralty was eating crow and the SPRA was adopted into the standard equipment aboard the Royal Navy. UPDATE: 4/22/2012 This gun isn't for sale on Gunbroker any longer, but this gun is Steven Johnson has a page on William Schermuly and his inventions. Technically this is not a firearm and no FFL is needed. For this item, that is: If you would like to use IWM collections materials in a way that is not covered above, require a commercial licence, high-resolution copies, or have manipulation requests, please contact theMedia Sales & Licensing Team. Gebr.R\' Gebruder Rempt Suhl. To meet demand Schermuly brought his three grown sons into the business. Overall good. Ships still carry line throwers in various configuration, and they are also widely used by firefighters. Your last viewed and saved ads will appear here, Your last viewed and saved searches will appear here, Please select a location from the drop-down list. Growing up on an island, I would find quite a few fired flare cases and parachutes and found the odd live item too. You can unsubscribe at any time. Still, the unit was compact, easy to set up, and is said to have a range of approximately 285 meters. The serial number 10290 is matching on the barrel unit and the frame. However, to equip each ship with a Lyle gun or similar device would prove exceedingly expensive and take up space and weight, two precious commodities on a fully crewed cargo ship. Schermuly made them from the 1920s up British WW1 1916 Dated Brass 1" MK III Trench Flare / Signal Pistol By Cogswell & Harrison London. The Next Generation To improve his rocket powered line thrower, many issues that plagued early rocketry students arose. No more results - here are some we think you might . firearm that you want, let us know and we will hold it for you. Then again, for something designed to withstand being . The fire plume and smoke trail made the line easy to find for the rescuing surf crews. There were numerous signal flares, various uses for projected lines, and perhaps most pleasing to the inventor, several ways to aid seamen in peril on the sea, such as lifeboat distress signals and self-inflating life rafts that automatically fired rocket propelled lines into the water so that the crew could pull themselves aboard. This WW1 piece was probably Canadian issue in WW1. Creating a business account is free, and gives you access to an extended range of services and packages with better pricing. Schermuly also developed a way to better lay the line inside the case (called flaking the line) so that it would feed more easily and reliably while taking up less space. You can contact the seller by clicking on the seller's nickname. No sales in NJ. holders in your area, we may be able to help you find one willing to handle transfers.

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